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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 9, 2013 9:57:59 GMT -5
Is in vitro fertilization a symptom of a culture of death or a marker of a culture of life?
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Post by betelihmk on Apr 13, 2013 20:12:46 GMT -5
IVF is a marker of life because it gives people(couples) a child of their dream..someone can be very desirable for children I know there is an option of adopting kids, but females in this case might want to have the experience of having a child starting from the pregnancy and giving birth which only can be done through IVf.
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Post by danhoffmann45 on Apr 14, 2013 16:13:18 GMT -5
I completely agree with you betelihmk. While abortion can without a doubt be categorized under the culture of death, I think IVF can be considered to be part of a "culture of life". This is because, while abortion, by definition, prevents life. IVF creates life. While I do understand the necessity for a healthy sex life between spouses, I think that if they are not able to conceive, they should try all other means to have a child. I also don't understand why the church does not aprove of homologous IVF. Can anyone explain this to me?
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Post by betelihmk on Apr 14, 2013 16:38:43 GMT -5
The church does approve homologous IVF only if it helps but not replaces sex. For example if a couple cant have a baby medically its ok for them to use IVF and still have their...
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Post by danhoffmann45 on Apr 14, 2013 17:26:57 GMT -5
Oh, ok I see. Then if the church already essentially supports it. How can it even be considered to be part of the culture of death at all? I mean its not like t involves death at all.
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Post by ccastro on Apr 14, 2013 17:50:17 GMT -5
I agree with both of you that it can be considered a culture of life since you are still creating a life. Like Hoffmann said, abortion can be considered a 'culture of death' since it prevents the creation of life but since IVF is what is making a life then it can be considered a 'culture of life'. Is it true that the church agrees with the action of IFV? If a married couple is unable to have a healthy sex life, they should go ahead and use IVF. IVF does however separate the "procreative" and "unitive" aspects of a sexual relationship and it can violate the dignity of the children.
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Post by ellez on Apr 14, 2013 20:37:07 GMT -5
I understand completely that IVF helps create life and does not necessarily obstruct the sexual relations of a married couple. On the other hand, I think it is important to consider that in IVF more than enough zygotes are made. Not all of these zygotes are implanted so some life is destroyed which directly violates human dignity. If more than one zygote takes, selective reduction can be used in which a doctor terminates the weaker embryos to prevent multiple births. This leads me to question: Do the ends of creating life justify the means?
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Post by ellez on Apr 14, 2013 20:39:28 GMT -5
Additionally, the fact this process is so costly, treats the baby as a product rather than a gift from God. This selfish mentality of the doctors and companies charging for this procedure make me feel that it could be a symptom of the culture of death.
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Post by danhoffmann45 on Apr 14, 2013 20:49:59 GMT -5
Ellez, that is a really good point. Untill you mentioned that, I never had thought about it that way. However, I think that in this situation, the pros outweigh the cons because you are still creating life and nurturing it, but as you said, it begs the question: do the ends justify the means? Or in a situation like this can be any middle ground? Or is the choice an absolute one? I ask this because if death is involved at all, can we support it at, all even if it results in life?
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Post by ellez on Apr 14, 2013 21:12:21 GMT -5
I think there is a middle ground because each situation has different circumstances. Also, for a personal decision, I think the morality of IVF lies within when the individual feels that life has been created. Some believe a zygote is a life, while others think further stages of pregnancy such as the embryo or fetus mark this point. This transition to life weighs heavily on a person's decision to excercise IVF I think.
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Post by ccastro on Apr 14, 2013 21:22:00 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, this is somewhat a selfish mentality of the doctors in charge of this procedure. It does in fact treat the baby as a product but I agree with Hoffmann that the pros do outweigh the cons since still you are creating the life and still taking care of the baby. There can be some reasons for IVF such as a medical problem between a couple like infertility. However, since death is somewhat involved, it should in some cases be avoided.
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Post by felicityfitz on Apr 14, 2013 22:03:40 GMT -5
The church does not support it because when the do the process they put together multiple eggs and sperm, and only one of the potential life's continues on to be implanted into the woman's body. The others are not grown and then born. This is not an opinion, only an explanation from how I understand it after mr Daniel explained it to me.
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Post by felicityfitz on Apr 14, 2013 22:39:12 GMT -5
Although this is not ALWAYS the case. The potential life's are not ALWAYS destroyed.
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Post by victorialord on Apr 14, 2013 22:42:49 GMT -5
Even though I agree with Elle that there is grey ground because of a one's personal opinion about the beginning of human life, I think that, overall, IVF promotes a culture of death. Yes, there is the pro of creation of human life (as Dan points out), but for this one life, there are many fertilized eggs that are frozen and usually discarded afterwards. To me, it seems that IVF promotes the idea that it is okay to intentionally discard these multiple lives, in order to create one. Even though life is created, life is also destroyed in the process, and I think that this makes it a culture of death. Therefore, I disagree with Dan that the pros outweigh the cons, because more possible lives are destroyed than are created.
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Post by danhoffmann45 on Apr 15, 2013 11:24:20 GMT -5
While this makes sense, I think that everyone that would be loving to children, has the right to parenthood. Why should infertile parents be not allowed to have their own offspring like everyone else? I know that if I personally was in this situation, I would choose to have a child, even if it was born through IVF.
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