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Post by elizabethg on Apr 15, 2013 19:34:04 GMT -5
isabelle makes a great point. When Catholics are thinking about politics we do have to consider everything that the candidates believe not just their beliefs about life. As Catholics it is hard for us to support either political party but we don't just want to not vote for anyone so i think we should vote for whoever supports our beliefs and make sure the good out ways the bad. I think if we do that it would not be considered immoral to vote for a political party.
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Post by isabellar on Apr 15, 2013 20:14:22 GMT -5
I agree with Peter when he says that we must pick the better of two people who we won' t necessarily agree with. In reality there is rarely ever a candidate that I can look at and say that I agree with all the time. In the case of politics though we need to find a candidate who not only respects the rights to life, but also looks to provide the best QUALITY OF LIFE for American citizens and I think that this is where a majority of people would disagree as to which party provides the best quality of life and you can find disagreement among Catholics.
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Post by karinad on Apr 15, 2013 20:27:32 GMT -5
Good job, Isabelle, you have pointed out that there is quite a lot to consider when it comes to voting for a political candidate. I mean, there are hungry people to feed, diseases to cure, violent conflicts to settle....There is a planet to preserve for our posterity; discrimination, genocide, and nuclear proliferation to deal with....And God forbid two consenting adults (who happen to be of the same gender) want the right to get married, and unconscious, first-trimester fetuses (or embryos or blastocysts or morulae or zygotes or whatever) are dying painless deaths, often in order to spare their mothers' lives, or alleviate the suffering of children with, say, spinal chord injuries. I guess if you agree with the Catholic Church, and you want to define yourself by your views on abortion and gay marriage, then the Republican Party is the one for you. But if you want to do what Jesus (who never talked about abortion or gay marriage) would do, then there is no doubt that you should support the Democratic Party. Jesus cared about the poor and vulnerable, and wanted to redistribute the wealth. I would even argue that he was the first socialist. I would also argue that the Democratic Party is more "pro-life" than the Republican Party in that, for example, it works more to aid the poverty-stricken, those who are most likely to get abortions, thereby reducing the number of abortions had annually. Abortion is certainly a moral problem, albeit one that should rank very low on your list of concerns if you care at all about human and animal suffering, but an effort to reduce the need for abortions does not consist of harassing women outside of abortion clinics, it consists of working for advances in contraceptive technology, adopting children, and helping women and girls get through their pregnancies and support their children both emotionally and financially.
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Post by drewcerney on Apr 15, 2013 20:30:27 GMT -5
I kind of like what felicity said that you should pick the person who mirrors your values. However, it is a lot more complicated than that because it is unlikely that these people mirror your values. For instance, I could have liked Obama a lot and he seems like a good guy but maybe Mitt Romney had specific ideas or plans that you agree with. Also, i disagree that law and religion should be seperate because "In God We Trust." The republican party is "pro-life"in the abortion category but they are also pro war which is technically against life because the point of war is to kill. And the democrats are for abortion which is killing innocent people. It is obviously hard to agree with either one if you think of it as who kills more. but it is really just those for national security and safety vs national freedom.
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Post by isabellar on Apr 15, 2013 20:49:37 GMT -5
Karina, as usual, I understand what you are trying to say and I agree with most of it, but you are thinking of this much to black and white. Republicans aren't trying to create a bad quality of life for some people, they are just trying to go about it differently than Democrats. Its important to see the shades of gray that exist in both parties platforms.
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Post by karinad on Apr 15, 2013 21:44:38 GMT -5
You're right, Isabelle;) And, as long as we are having an interfaith dialogue here, I would like to point out that Jews believe that, in the case of the life of the mother, one must abort the fetus. Muslims believe that the soul does not enter the embryo/fetus until between 40 and 120 days of gestation, so they have a much laxer view on abortion than do Christians (this is great for embryonic stem cell research, also). In the spirit of political correctness, I think we should not force our own moral beliefs on others, and, therefore, abortion should remain legal.
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