eryks
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Post by eryks on May 20, 2013 20:33:12 GMT -5
In my own opinion, war is held for the greater good of the country, meaning freedom. On the other hand, the death penalty is put into place to try exterminate the highest degree felons of our world. Also, I have to agree with what John Ray said about the WWII comment, it shows a great example of a justified reason for war that the US has participated in.
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Post by sorchaprice on May 20, 2013 21:09:20 GMT -5
I understand where Hannah is coming from but this is all based on opinion. She states that the death penalty is taking away innocent lives (in some, very rare cases) but innocent lives are also lost in war. Yes we do defend our own rights in war but that person on death row violated the rights of another individual so it is their right/their family's right to defend it...just like our country does when we go to war. It all has a purpose. So I do also disagree with Erin's comment above that these two come in a pair. They are separate issues with some underlying things in common but it depends on the circumstance
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Post by colleenclifford on May 20, 2013 21:23:04 GMT -5
I dont understand hannah and sorcha? When in wars people who fight for their country and die are innocent people but the death penalty it doesnt deal with innocent people. The death penalty is created because these people take away lives of innocent people. Thats why they deserve to have the same thing.
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Post by eryks on May 21, 2013 20:16:33 GMT -5
I have to disagree with Sorcha on the idea of these two topics not being able to co- exist. An example of the death penalty and war co-existing is the time when the atomic bomb was dropped in Japan. We basically order a wide spread "death penalty" on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But here, all of these people that died from effects of the bomb we all innocent civilians.
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Post by colleenclifford on May 22, 2013 20:09:34 GMT -5
I agree with eryks and his example. It is important to keep in mind our freedom is because of the wars. The death penalty and war go together because a victim lost their life because of someone and in war innocent people loose their lives dying for their country. Theres a reason for both of these two. For death penalty the reason for the criminal dying is taking away an innocent life. For just war it is because another country is trying to take freedom and lives away from innocent people.
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Post by mconsidine on May 23, 2013 11:13:46 GMT -5
I understand where Erin is coming from when she says you have to have the same position on death penalty and war since they are both done to keep society safe, but I disagree because they are two completely different situations. Death penalty involves one person at a time, and considering just the actions which that individual has committed to determine their sentences. In contrast, War involves entire countries and therefore may differ from the sentence of just an individual.
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Post by shawnlapiana on May 23, 2013 18:11:18 GMT -5
The problem with death penalty is that there are other ways that justice could be served, but with just war there is no other option because all of them have been tried. I think people could be against death penalty and not just war but just war and death penalty only have death in common when there is south more happening.
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Post by tlaz on May 23, 2013 19:04:25 GMT -5
I am in between, because I don't support the death penalty because it is unhelpful to society, because of the cost of it that We are using up way to much money on this person then we have to when we can just lock them up for life. I support just war because if the community thinks it is beneficial to go to war and it is the right reason then we should do what I must beneficial to society.
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Post by anthonyarocho1 on May 23, 2013 19:08:09 GMT -5
I agree with Shawn and Sorcha. If one is against the death penalty one does not have to be against just wars. A few factors play into this idea. The death penalty involves killing someone who is most likely guilty and just wars involve fighting for a country. These two elements are different and therefore one could have different opinions of these motives. Yes lives are still lost but the reasoning behind it is different. For example, lets say someone was for a just war because intervention was necessary in the country. Therefore there are great nationalistic opinions and needs which are the motives behind the war. On the other hand this person could very much be against the death penalty. They may think that since it is direct killing of a targeted individual then it is wrong. This differs in what war is since there is no direct target of an individual. One is just fighting for his or her country.
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Post by mconsidine on May 23, 2013 21:37:15 GMT -5
I understand where Erin is coming from, but I disagree because I think they are two completely different situations. The death penalty deals with an individual and his or her actions which have resulted in the sentence established. In contrast, war deals with an entire country, even if the action was a result of one persons actions. This is basically the same thing that geekay55 said, and I agree with them when they say war is America going against other countries, rather than just one person against America. Although both topics are done to keep society safe, as Erin said, a person can have two different views because the factors in each situation may differ.
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Post by johnnybuns on May 24, 2013 14:52:46 GMT -5
i agree with the people that say that it is possible to oppose the death penalty but support just war because they are different. war is on a much bigger scale that can put a country at stake and the death penatly seems like a way to cope with a personal problem in our country. Just war is a way to protect ones country so it seems that it is deffinatley ok to agree with that whether or not someone agrees or disagrees with the death penalty.
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Post by karinad on May 24, 2013 19:49:48 GMT -5
Yes, if you care about justice. The death penalty is nearly always unjust for many reasons, while some wars could be morally justified. That's why it's called just war.
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Post by ccastro on May 28, 2013 14:18:30 GMT -5
It is possible for people to oppose the death penalty and favor just war. Going to war is more reasonable than the death penalty because you're going to war for a reason. You go to fight for your country and defend the people. The death penalty however can be solved in many different other ways than just killing the person. It is more of like a personal problem as said above that won't really benefit others while war can benefit the whole country since soldirs are fighting for the rights of humans.
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