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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 9, 2013 15:55:13 GMT -5
"If a person's right to life is violated at the moment when he is first conceived in his mother's womb, an indirect blow is struck also at the whole of the moral order." - John Paul II (6 minutes and 24 seconds into John Paul II Millennial Pope part 12)
What does this quote mean? Is it correct?
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Post by betelihmk on Apr 13, 2013 19:51:27 GMT -5
He is saying that life begins the moment where an egg cell and a spermcell connect which is conception. I agree with him because really that's when a third person is created no matter in what situation it is meaning a healthy or unhealthy embryo.
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Post by betelihmk on Apr 13, 2013 19:51:45 GMT -5
He is saying that life begins the moment where an egg cell and a spermcell connect which is conception. I agree with him because really that's when a third person is created no matter in what situation it is meaning a healthy or unhealthy embryo.
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Post by elizabethk on Apr 14, 2013 15:26:37 GMT -5
I think that John Paul II is trying to say through this quote that from the moment of conception, a person's right to life should be respected. Overall, Catholics believe that the human life should be valued from the moment of conception to the moment of death. If we cannot follow this teaching, then this goes against the moral order Catholics are taught. I think this quote is correct because humans should be able to have their rights respected, including their right to life.
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Post by donnelhaley on Apr 14, 2013 20:31:50 GMT -5
i agree with elizabethk, since the right to live is the first right even before the constitutional rights. we all know how it feels to live a good life and we enjoy it. so why do people disrespect take away that persons chance to live.
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Post by donnelhaley on Apr 14, 2013 20:32:07 GMT -5
i agree with elizabethk, since the right to live is the first right even before the constitutional rights. we all know how it feels to live a good life and we enjoy it. so why do people disrespect take away that persons chance to live.
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Post by sorchaprice on Apr 14, 2013 21:09:21 GMT -5
I agree with Donnel by stating that John Paul II is saying that life begins in the first moments of conceiving and it is in violation of the natural right to life. But I do not think that it is a form of disrespect due to the fact that the embryo is not aware of what is going on. Rights are stripped from you with full awareness but the fetus/embryo hasn't yet lived in the world to be affected by the stripping away of its rights.
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Post by margwalker06 on Apr 14, 2013 21:49:25 GMT -5
I agree with Donnel that the right to life is the first and most important right. Like he said, we all know what it is like to live life so what makes us think that it's ok to strip a life away from someone else? Sorcha, I agree that the fetus is not aware of what's going on, but by killing it before it even has the chance to live you are taking away its right to live life like everyone else does.
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Post by sorchaprice on Apr 14, 2013 23:53:23 GMT -5
Marg I see your point and I know this is getting off topic but what if the life of the mother is in danger if she has the baby? Would it be considered to be okay to sacrifice one life(the fetus) in order to preserve a life that is fully aware(the mother)? This is not addressed in the quote above but it is thought proviking because yes it strips away ones right to life but it is completely abolishing another's at the same time.
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Post by elizabethk on Apr 15, 2013 9:02:35 GMT -5
I agree with the majority of the statements above saying that a person's right to live is to be respected from the moment of conception. To respond to Sorcha's question, I feel like this question always sparks a debate on which life should be sacrificed, the mother or the fetus. Catholics have been taught that abortion is immoral. But, if there is no way to save both the mother and the fetus' lives and the reason for abortion is unavoidable, then I feel like there would be an exception.
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Post by karinad on Apr 15, 2013 21:31:29 GMT -5
A culture of death is one in which a woman would rather risk killing herself with a back-ally, coat hanger abortion (or with one of those rubber things Kate Winslet used in Revolutionary Road) than carry the pregnancy to full term. I think that, for all practical purposes and in the interest of the greater good, abortion should remain a part of reproductive healthcare. And yes, elizabethk, even the Catholic Church should recognize that in the case of the life of the mother (when the fetus has no chance of survival), the choice is obvious.
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