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Post by isabeller on Apr 14, 2013 19:10:36 GMT -5
I would have to disagree with Will's argument. The story shown is of woman who has to make a real heart wrenching decision, not many of us can relate to such a situation so her view gave a different perspective. And also to bring up what Mr.Daniel said in class about how abortion is not black and white their is a lot of grey. And this story showed these grey areas because someone who might see abortion as a completely selfish act can clearly see through this documentary the struggle this woman had with it. She didn't question her decision but that didn't make it any easier. So overall i think this documentary gave a different perspective in contrast to all of the professors just talking about it, it showed what really happened and if anything adds to awfulness of abortion but definitely does not jade it.
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Post by jamiewright on Apr 14, 2013 19:55:04 GMT -5
Also Isobella, I think you have a great point that most people forget about when telling people to just give the baby up for adoption. There is so much stress, emotion, and problems that a woman will experience during a pregnancy. Things, that even today, are still not answered yet. So I agree completely on this that you said, "It is not something a woman should 'just had to bear it for 9 months'."
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Post by ellez on Apr 14, 2013 20:27:35 GMT -5
Jamie, I can understand why you said Stacy must be thinking as clear as she ever was at this point in her life. Black and white decisions are easy to make. Without any background information or personal experiences I think it is easy to say, especially as a Catholic, that abortion is wrong because it is taking innocent life away. Yet, decisions in life are rarely black and white. The shades of grey, emphasized by the producers filming techniques, are essential to the decision. After being in the same decision multiple times and through extreme adversity, Stacy is most likely in the most sensitive and conscious mindset of her life. I know I am supposing her emotions considering I have never been through this personally, but I think the specifics of the situation make a difference. All the hardship Stacy has endured as Jamie stated above ask me to question: Is it right to bring a child into the world as an unstable mother emotionally, physically, or financially? In response to Jamie's question, I believe more people would disapprove of the abortion if the background information was absent.
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Post by Jeanine Achtel on Apr 14, 2013 21:27:11 GMT -5
To resond to Jamie's question I believe if the person has the mind set abortions are wrong, I believe one's story would not convince them other wise. If a person is unsure of where they stand, the personal stories would help them the most in this case. It would make the other person more aware of what the person is going through. Putting thereself in someone else's shoes is most affective. I believe we cannot judge a persons decison strictly because we do not know their background and why they are making the decision. If a person believes abortions are right hearing a personal story may convince them other wise. But in the case of someone beliving they are fully wrong in all cases I belive they're mindset is the deepest and would be the hardest to convince other wise.
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Post by margwalker06 on Apr 14, 2013 21:37:56 GMT -5
I agree with Shawn that bringing a baby into a world where it will not be provided with a safe and loving environment would not be preserving life. However, i think that regardless of the mothers situation they always have the option of adoption where hopefully the child will be provided with a loving family. By showing the personal story in the documentary I think it was good to see what it was like from an individual woman's situation. The only thing that I didn't understand was that Stacy kept talking about how it wasn't a good time for her to have a child mentally and financially but it seemed like she never looked at it from the child's point of view and it didn't really seem like she considered all of her options, like adoption.
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Post by felicityfitz on Apr 14, 2013 21:46:50 GMT -5
Boweng, whoever you are, I agree that a woman must have a choice about what happens to her body but I must disagree with you about your point about adoption. As an adopted child, I must insist that you realize that every situation is different! In my case, after I was conceived my birth father tried to force my birth mother into having me aborted. He beat her and threatened her, but she lied and fought her way out of having an abortion. She loved me very much, and it was because of the love she had for me that she decided that it would be in my best interest to put me up for adoption so that I could be adopted by somebody who could take care of me well. On the other hand, I know of an old close friend from Russia that was literally handed to his grandmother, comepletely abandoned. It's so sad. After she died he was an orphan for about 9 years. So my point is that every situation is different!
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Post by katep on Apr 14, 2013 22:05:36 GMT -5
I agree with most everyone here that personal stories greatly affect the mother's decision to keep the child or not. Like felicityfitz said, her mother wanted to do what was best for her when she put her up for adoption. The women in the video said that she was not emotionally stable to have her child, and that is why she decided to abort it and then margwalker06 wondered why she didnt consider options like adoption for child. I understand where margwalker06 is coming from but what if Stacy became so emotionally unstable as a result of keeping the baby that she started doing drugs or something that ultimately ended up hurting both herself and her unborn child. Would this influence your opinion of whether or not Stacy should have kept her baby and put him or her up for adoption once it was born or if her decision to abort the child was what was best for both the mother and child?
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Post by hannahmichalek14 on Apr 14, 2013 22:40:25 GMT -5
Going back to wills comment, I agree with him on the point he directs toward Gieriet. He says that all people have a right to live, so what makes it okay for Stacy to just decide that it is okay to kill an innocent infant that will have no chance at life because of the careless mistakes Stacy has done. Even though Stacy has made some bad choices in her life, she has also gone through a lot. Contradicting wills point on how Stacy made a careless mistake and should not take a child's life away with Jamie's previous comment about her past really shows the struggles a young woman can go through during a deciding process such as abortion. Stacy's past had , intact, affected her greatly and she expressed that in the interview she had right before she went to get an abortion. Her tough life and caused great troubles among her relationship life. This greatly plays into her choices which led her to the abortion center. I believe that Stacy should know that what she has done in the past was wrong and how her actions can have major consequences. With that being said, Stacy should not be treated as "victim" in this situation just because she has had a bad past, but that should also be no excuse for her to do whatever she wants. Answering wills question to me of what makes abortion her best choice? I think that it should be the best choice for Stacy because she seems like she has some emotional issues. She has had a tough life with abusive problems with her boyfriend. Having a baby born into her arms and then giving it up right away would be a lot more stress on her and could cause her to fall into a deeper depression.
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Post by jamiewright on Apr 15, 2013 8:47:45 GMT -5
Also, to answer my own question after reading everyones response, the personal story of Stacy convinced me that she wasn't ready to have that baby. She was able to have an abortion early enough into pregnancy where I believe it wasn't as big of a deal as it could have been if it was in a later trimester. If the background story of Stacy was not put into the movie then I would be upset that Stacy gave up her baby so easily. The movie talks about how people can't think of abortion in black and white. We have to think of it in a grey form. I believe that and I think we've shown this point in our discussion. We have to fully understand both sides of the story before judging someone on getting an abortion because like the movie said every woman that that one nurse treated took the process seriously. Even Stacy was in tears before and after the abortion due to emotional stress
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Post by WillL on Apr 15, 2013 9:02:23 GMT -5
I cannot possibly respond to everyone's comment toward me so I will pick a few that seem to have common themes with the others. Jamie, Stacy's prior expierences and lifestyle convinced me of her immaturity. When she asked for a cigarette after making such a morally heavy decision, she displayed a focus on herself. Because of the distraction of the prior experiences, the producer clouds the readers mind as to the real moral decision.
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Post by eringallan on Apr 15, 2013 14:30:24 GMT -5
To respond to Jamie i would say that people who are against all abortions would be but i think the reason the story is put in there is to show that every story is different and you need to take all of the circumstances in order to decide is the abortion is right or wrong. Abortion is not black and white there are differernt stories and different types of abortions.
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Post by ryanmcguire on Apr 15, 2013 14:31:07 GMT -5
I am in total agreeance with what Meg said, especially with what she said about the different perspectives and how they can shape the opinion of whether the viewer believes abortions are good or bad. During the video, everything is supposed to be in black and white, but most of these two colors are mixed, making most of the color on the movie grey. This grey simbolizes that when it comes to abortion, it is hard to distinguish between what is right and wrong, but there are people who are take a firm stance on the issue, whether pro-choice or pro-life, which is shown through the black and white. It is also shown through the very pro-choice and very pro-life people that are interviewed in the movie.
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Post by Joe Hagen on Apr 15, 2013 18:56:14 GMT -5
I think the circumstances with which a woman becomes pregnant is very important, when talking about abortion. Because religion can tell someone that abortion is wrong no matter what the circumstances, but if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, is it still considered immoral by the church?
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Post by ryanmcguire on Apr 15, 2013 19:04:58 GMT -5
To respond to what Joe said while the case of a woman getting raped and becoming is a terrible and horrific situation, there is one option that the woman can do to avoid abortion; she can have the baby and put it up for adoption. In my opinion, this would be the most ethical thing to do because the woman will not have to ever deal with the baby she never wanted while at the same time she will not have taken the life of an innocent child.
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Post by meganrux on Apr 15, 2013 19:41:04 GMT -5
I like how Ryan continued that aspect of the documentary by going so far as to describe the filmography. I completely forgot about that aspect. It shows that the film is purely objective and that the argument follows a very slippery slope. Did you, Ryan (or anyone else for that matter) find any visual helpers besides that it was in black and white to also show the two sides, the amount of gray area in between, or anything along those lines?
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