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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 9, 2013 9:56:56 GMT -5
Why does the filmmaker in Lake of Fire chose to spend so much time on the personal story of Stacy's abortion? Are personal stories like these helpful in thinking about the issue of abortion or do they just use emotion to distract from the important logical questions?
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Post by boweng on Apr 9, 2013 11:29:15 GMT -5
The usage of personal stories give us insight on certain circumstances that we may never experience or even know. They don't distract from the important logical questions because they are providing specific examples. There are situations where a woman is not able to supply a stable and in some cases sterile environment for a baby. For example, why bring a baby into the world if it is destined to suffer and potentially die early?
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Post by peterjuska on Apr 9, 2013 11:39:46 GMT -5
The personal story definetely does give us a better perspective on the issue. It makes us focus more instead of listening to one story after the other. I think this personal story tries to evoke emotions instead of making us focus on the issue. They should focus on the situation rather than the person. Right now the video is talking about the lady's jaw being broken due to physical abuse. This makes us feel pity for the woman, yet it avoids the topic of abortion. It does make us see why she might want to have the abortion, however, it too strongly focuses on her personal life rather than the abortion.
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Post by eringallan on Apr 9, 2013 14:35:39 GMT -5
I agree the personal experiences add to the value of the movie because most times people cannot relate to the movie and facts so it doesn't apply or relate to them specifically. The stories help how the human emotions and show how it affects real people and the actual consequences the shock of seeing a real story shows just how awful the process is once you see the baby actually being killed you can relate or have stronger emotions
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Post by shawnlapiana on Apr 9, 2013 14:55:32 GMT -5
I agree with the people above. The situation is not always known, and sometimes bringing a baby into a world where they will not be loved is not preserving life. This makes the argument hard to be a "yes" or a "no" answer because it is bigger than that. Including the story makes it personable and relatable. You can understand why bringing a baby into this situation where the mom still has many things to work through is not a great idea.
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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 9, 2013 16:23:44 GMT -5
I agree with the people above. The situation is not always known, and sometimes bringing a baby into a world where they will not be loved is not preserving life. To play Devil's Advocate, Shawn, did we need to see her story to know that sometimes people give birth in harsh conditions? Couldn't you argue that by focusing on the sob story of her life, the movie distracts us from the only really essential question: whether the abortion takes away the fetus' right to life?
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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 9, 2013 16:25:56 GMT -5
Right now the video is talking about the lady's jaw being broken due to physical abuse. This makes us feel pity for the woman, yet it avoids the topic of abortion. It does make us see why she might want to have the abortion, however, it too strongly focuses on her personal life rather than the abortion. Peter, you also said that you think the stories "give us a better perspective on the issue." Are these two statements of yours inconsistent? To everyone else: Why does the movie spend so much time talking about her cracked jaw? Does that help us in any way to think about the issue of abortion?
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Post by jenniferr on Apr 10, 2013 9:59:36 GMT -5
Personal stories make the topics come to life more. A lot of times we only read the facts and only pay attention to the facts when we read or hear about serious topics. When a someone tells a personal story about these serious topics, such as abortion, it taps into our emotions which are necessary for fully understanding what these facts or procedures do to a person. For example, when the woman starts crying at the end we truly see the pain that this procedure can bring to women and how it is more than just an a procedure, it can greatly effect someone emotionally as well.
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Post by shawnlapiana on Apr 10, 2013 16:25:42 GMT -5
I think including the sob story didn't really affect how the audience felt because it just further prove that nothing is black and white, it's mostly gray. We see that this lady has many things going on, and she can't handle having a baby.
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Post by isobellaantelis on Apr 10, 2013 18:45:43 GMT -5
I agree with what mostly everyone said. Going off of Jennifer's point, personal stories make a serious topic, like abortion, more understandable to someone who has not had to go through that situation before. Learning about the story of Stacy makes the viewer feel the pain she is going through. Abortion is something that is difficult to go through and is never an easy decision to make. Before watching this documentary, I knew the basic facts about abortion but learning about someones personal story gave me a better understanding on what emotions and struggles a person goes through during the process. The movie also talks about how Stacy had a cracked jaw. I think this was an important point to make to show the audience that Stacy had been abused and has not had an easy life. Another reason it brings up this point so much is to possibly show that Stacy was looking out for the child's safety and didn't want the child to go through what she had gone through. Overall, I think Stacy made the right decision to get an abortion.
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Post by colleenclifford on Apr 10, 2013 22:32:47 GMT -5
To go off Shawn and Mr. Daniels discussion, I think we needed to see her journey through the abortion so people can see the little things/emotions you miss from just facts about abortion. A main argument in this movie is getting distracted to answer the real question, if abortion takes away the fetus' right to life. Like isobellaantelis said, I believe the personal story is more serious and helps people get deeper into the situation. Hearing about Stacy's stories about an abusive ex boyfriend and having to put up her kid for adoption she has gone through an emotional rollercoaster. If we only knew facts we would have assumed she was selfish and it was wrong but since we got to hear her story it puts things into a different perspective.
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Post by WillL on Apr 10, 2013 23:26:40 GMT -5
I have to disagree with Shawn---I couldnt read this and not comment on it. The sob story life of this woman ABSOLUTELY draws away from the abortion. This woman, maybe in a moment of insanity, made an adult decision and is thus responsible for the consequences. Period, end of argument. Yet the producer of the film clouds the viewers judgment to feel bad for the woman. As much as I do feel bad for her past, she has to be held accountable for her future. Even if she couldn't bring this baby into a perfect world, she still could have put the baby up for adoption. But no, she didnt want to deal with the burden of a pregnancy so she aborted it. I dont know about you all but I was appalled at the sight of the treatment of the baby, it looked as if an animal dissection was occurring. So does the personal story add something---yes but it distracts and jades the viewer from the fact that the woman aborted a baby.
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Post by boweng on Apr 11, 2013 11:25:24 GMT -5
Will, do you think it's morally acceptable to bring a child Into the world and then abandon it and put it up for adoption? Yes life is the greatest mystery and most amazing gift from god, but is it following gods intention to bring a child into this world to struggle?
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Post by jamiewright on Apr 11, 2013 16:53:18 GMT -5
Will, I can totally see your point. I believe that to make a complete decision without judgement you need to listen to every part of the story. Stacy was put in a very difficult situation though. She was pregnant with her one of her best friend's child, she has had physical abuse in her past, has had depression, has been pregnant 5 times, and on top of all that she had to give up a child for adoption. After one person has gone through this much stress people could say that she wasn't thinking clearly. But I believe that at this point she was thinking as clear as she ever was. I believe that it finally hit her that she isn't physically capable any more of taking care of another life especially a newborn. She has to take care of herself first. By knowing all of that information about her I believe that it was a good choice for Stacy to do the abortion. If I didn't know about her past then I would be so lost and confused on why this unborn human couldn't have the chance at life if everything was "fine".
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Post by jamiewright on Apr 11, 2013 16:56:46 GMT -5
I guess my question to ask then from here would be. . . if it was never put in the movie about stacy's background and what she has gone through, would everyone disapprove of her going through with the abortion?
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