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Post by Mr. Daniel on Apr 29, 2013 15:58:56 GMT -5
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Should gay marriage be legal?
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Post by petercolosimo on Apr 30, 2013 8:56:28 GMT -5
Yes, because I believe that people should be able to freely choose if they want to get married no matter who their spouse would be. It is wrong for the government to deny gay people from getting married because they are denying their basic rights. Without the ability to get married, gay people will not receive the same benefits as heterosexual married couples and will have a significantly harder time raising a child. It is not fair to deny gay people their right to marriage if they truly love the other person in their relationship.
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Post by meganrux on Apr 30, 2013 20:25:19 GMT -5
I completely agree with Peter. Marriage is between two people who love each other, not limited to a man and a woman. In the same way gays should be given the same opportunities as married heterosexual couples. No one should be denied any basic rights based on who they love, it's ridiculous.
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Post by WillL on Apr 30, 2013 22:20:50 GMT -5
No and here is why (Mr. Daniel this should look vaguely familiar to you hahaha but dont worry I address everyones response):
For many years, the concept of gay marriage has been a heated topic of debate. I am here to provide, you, insight as to how gay marriage is wrong—both legally and morally. First, government cannot view gay marriage and heterosexual marriage equally. In contrast to gay marriage, the couples involved in true heterosexual marriage form a strong bond that is displayed through the heterosexual partner’s loving, committed relationship. According to a New York Times article, the average heterosexual has 9.3 partners in their lifetime, most of which occur before marriage. On flip side, according to the Journal of Sex Research, homosexual men have approximately 101-500 throughout their lifetime. The CDC reports 50% of heterosexual marriages last more than 20 years, while The Gay Lesbien Consumers League states 30% of homosexual partnerships last more than 7 years. This, fellow classmates, shows the difference between a full-fledged marriage and a partnership that cannot achieve the true bond of marriage. Finally, according to a study at the University of Texas at Austin, the living environment for homosexual children is “suboptimal.” Because our government should be interested in its future, shaky homosexual relationships and child raising conditions should lend the government to not legalize gay marriage. On a moral level, gay marriage is wrong also. In a natural law lens, nature and God’s will tells humans to have sex to produces offspring. The biological mismatch of human anatomy disable homosexuals from having children, a clear indication that God, our creator, did not intend for gay-marriage. In the lens of Aristotle, the human reproductive systems have a telos to produce offspring. Gay marriage does not allow the reproductive system to fulfill its telos, a sign of immorality. Finally in a divine law lens, the scriptures tell us through Paul in Romans 1:27 that “men committing shameless acts with men… (will receive) in themselves the due penalty for their error.” The biological impossibility for homosexuals to reproduce not only threatens society’s future but also human’s interpretation of God’s will.
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Post by isabeller on May 1, 2013 20:18:04 GMT -5
Will, you described a heterosexual marriage as a strong bond displayed through a loving and committed relationship that applies to many homosexual relationships as well. So it is way to broad of a statement to say this makes up a marriage because that is a foundation for gay marriage as well. Also I think you make good points bringing up a christian perspective but that has no relevance for making gay marriage legal, laws are not passed to please the catholic church or for any religious group for that matter. I think no one has the right to keep people from marrying wether gay or not because we live in a free country therefore we should be able to marry who we want freely.
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Post by erikpechnick on May 1, 2013 20:21:08 GMT -5
i gotta say, i hate when people try and use religion in this argument( no offense Will) because the main odea of religion is to accept all and love all and treat everyone equally. so what happens when we deny someone a civil right? thats right, we are not treating them equally. also, the bible says that we shouldnt eat shellfiush, we shouldnt cut our hair short, and we shouldnt eat beef and dairy in the same meal. why dont we follow those rules but take the rule against being gay so literally? id like to talk about love for a moment. i have a cousin that is gay. his boyfriend and him are obviously in love. they do things that people in love normally do. i think its wrong to keep them from being married. if it makes them happy, why is anyone against that? they deserve to be happy and treated like everyone else.
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Post by Nick Dowdle on May 1, 2013 20:39:21 GMT -5
I believe that what Will said is well written and has some great information. However even though Aristotle 'said' 'the human reproductive systems have a telos to produce offspring' it also has other functions such as the ability to gain pleasure. Things like orgasms would not be achieved without the human reproductive system, how would Aristotle know for sure that God didn't intend for the main function our orgasms be the reason we have penis' and vaginas. Not just to reproduce. Maybe they are just pieces of our bodies God gave us to show other people that we love them. And if you believe in only postmarital sex, because of all of the "Church views" that you cited, does that mean that homosexuals or bisexuals must abstain from sex because they are not married therefore their sex is wrong. If two homosexuals or bisexuals want to show each other one of the deepest signs of love they should be able to. If Aristotle was straight would that mean that his argument was biased? if it was wouldn't that mean that he is not a reliable source?
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Post by rutha on May 2, 2013 9:09:30 GMT -5
Will, the amount of partners you have in your life time does not determine whether gay marriage should be legal or not. Yes, gay marriage is wrong and it should not be legal but the amount of partners you've had in your lifetime should not determine whether gay marriage should be legal or illegal. I think the problem we are having about this situation is the fact that we tend to make our decision based on the bible and the constitution; these two cannot work together because they will always contradict. We should make our decision based on what we think is right and wrong and not based on the bible or the constitution because nobody will ever win that way.
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Post by eryks on May 5, 2013 10:45:42 GMT -5
Isabella hit the nail right on the head here. Also, we must take into consideration the idea of the following argument that would try to disprove Will's argument. I'm sure that all people are created equally within our society and that everyone has the choice to make whether or not to be gay. So, when we compare two heterosexual people, they are both considered equal by law. But what is the difference if we compare a homosexual person and a heterosexual person, now they are considered "different" within today's society? It is illegal to say that people are not equal based on any of the characteristics they possess. So, based on that statement, I cant see why gay marriage is wrong or unlawful.
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Post by bridgetf on May 5, 2013 14:55:55 GMT -5
I believe that gay marriage should be legal. It is completely immoral to deny anyone basic rights based on something that they cannot control. I also agree with Isabelle and Erik that using religion to argue against gay marriage is unconstitutional. We should not argue from a Catholic perspective in regards to legal issues because not everyone in this country is Catholic. In response to your biological argument, if that's true, shouldn't we outlaw infertile people from getting married? In fact, why don't we just outlaw marriage altogether? If the only reason that we have sex organs is to reproduce, wouldn't being in a monogamous relationship be counterintuitive? We should be having as many children as possible, and only having one partner for that long hinders our ability to have offspring. Ignoring all of these points, the main reason that people get married is that they're in love. I don't think it's possible to say that one couple's love is stronger than another's just because of their sexual orientation.
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Post by hannahmichalek14 on May 5, 2013 15:10:40 GMT -5
Gay marriage should be legal. People have the right to love who ever they want and by making it illegal it can cause major tension in society. Bridgetf makes a comment on how it is immoral to deny anyone basic rights based on something they cannot control. This is a wonderful point because you shouldnt have anyone putting you down or saying it is wrong to marry the love of your life. who are you to say marrying someone of the same gender is wrong when our world today wants us each to be unique, independent, and strong? This contradicts the whole point of living in the united states because everyone has a right to do what they want to do.
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Post by WillL on May 5, 2013 15:31:37 GMT -5
Ok back to Isabellar: sure I made some religious arguments but majority of my argument was a secular argument. Because the government places such a deep value on the future generations then they should be concerned about gay marriage. Gay marriage does not allow the generations to come forth. Also, it is prooven that the best environment for a child is a stable household in which the parents are not divorced or unfaithful. Yet the infidelity rate of homosexuals is high. Shouldnt the governement protect the living enviroments of its future?
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Post by WillL on May 5, 2013 15:33:58 GMT -5
I am so infuriated that I want to kill somebody and cannot control my anger. Yet if somebody steps in and stops me from committing this uncontrolled action then they are acting immorally.......
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Post by WillL on May 5, 2013 15:39:53 GMT -5
Quote from my debate. The government has stated before that procreation if vital to existence---there is no such thing as procreation with homsexual marriages.
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Post by bridgetf on May 5, 2013 18:09:41 GMT -5
The only problem with this argument is that no one has the right to murder someone else, while everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. I said that denying someone a basic right based on something they can't control is immoral.
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