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Post by WillL on May 7, 2013 18:09:11 GMT -5
Ya but dont call it marriage. I am ok with civil unions applying to gays or not, its not the governments business. For example, if I am a single man at the age of 60 and I want my best friend making all the medical decisions if I get sick, then I can sign a contract which puts us in a legal "union." THis is not out of love but out of care for whom makes decisions regarding my life. Obviously this doesnt deserve the tax breaks that married couples receive because those tax breaks are to encourge the bringing forth of children/reproduction. IN the case of a 2 friends or 2 gay people, that could never happen---even through adoption (because a government wants a growing base of citizens, not mere exchanges). Hence the tax breaks dont apply
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Post by WillL on May 7, 2013 18:11:54 GMT -5
And that is ok because many disagree with much more basic Church topics.
Also Felicity, because of no fault of their own did your parents become sterile---there was no choice....thus it is not immoral
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Post by WillL on May 7, 2013 18:16:27 GMT -5
As great as that is to hear, but averages dont Lie:  Source: 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census |
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Post by donnelhaley on May 7, 2013 20:52:46 GMT -5
i think that gay marriage should be allowed because if its what makes a person happy then it should be legal. not saying that everything that makes a person happy should be legal but happiness is a basic need and its apart of the constitution
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Post by boweng on May 14, 2013 10:35:21 GMT -5
I think everyone who has posted previous to my commentary has made some very good arguments. I would have to side with Bridget on this topic. If we are all made in the light of God, aren't we all gifts from God? Being gay is not a decision Will, I think you need to take that into account. A homosexual doesn't decide one day that they want to be gay. It does not work like that. Do you decide to be straight? No. It is almost an instinct that we cannot control. Everyone is entitled to happiness, so if the same sex being with the same sex is where they find the most happiness why should we be hateful? And i understand that you are so opinionated, but why do you let this topic bother you? Honestly. Not saying you have to be for gay marriage but what is so bad about others happiness?
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Post by hannahmichalek14 on May 14, 2013 20:52:17 GMT -5
I am strongly on Gieriet's side for this topic. Will has mad a strong arguement on this issue and has shown which side he takes part in. Im sorry will, but im going to have to disagree on your choice. People are to be allowd to show any kind of emotion to anyone because we are from the United States. We have the right to believe in what ever we want. Homosexuals should have the right to marry anyone they please. Who is somone to say that the person they fell in love with cant marry them because it is "not right" to marry a person of the same gender? Gieriet made a great point on how everyone is entilted to happiness. Everyone should be happy at all times and if that is loving somone of the same gender, then so be it.
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Post by hannahmichalek14 on May 14, 2013 20:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by nico on May 15, 2013 0:23:06 GMT -5
gay marriage should be allowed becuase govermnent says recognizes everyone as equal includeing homosexual. are we really treating them equal if we dont give them the right marry their partner like the rest of us. Also we can use religous arguments and reasons to form a opinion on political topics. we are all have the freedom of religion. and reliogion effects multiple part of someone life like morality which we used to form many laws and stuff. telling people they cant allow religion to effect their anyone elses personal beliefs would be infringeing on their freedom of religion. separation of church and state is something different. a violation of that would be makeing gay marriage illegal just becuase the catholic church says it is immoral but the american people dicide it is immoral so the gov make gay marriage iilegal and their were some religous reasons behind that is totaly fine.
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Post by jamiewright on May 15, 2013 11:28:29 GMT -5
I agree with Amy and Kristen. This is a free country plain and simple. Each person is special in his or her way and the people that they love is apart of who they are. By saying someone can't marry or love someone is basically like telling that person they can't be generous or sassy. For Will I respect and understand your view on gay marriage but I have to agree with letting gay marriage happen but just call it gay bonding.
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Post by drewcerney on May 17, 2013 11:24:18 GMT -5
Im kind of in the middle. I dont want to marry a man so i dont really care as long as im not directly affected i dont care. Will you are against gay marriage for procreation and honestly if you marry a woman what if she cant have babies? Should you not be allowed to marry her? That is FOR gay marriage and my only negative towards gay marriage is my personal sexuality.
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Post by drewcerney on May 17, 2013 11:25:04 GMT -5
Im kind of in the middle. I dont want to marry a man so i dont really care as long as im not directly affected i dont care. Will you are against gay marriage for procreation and honestly if you marry a woman what if she cant have babies? Should you not be allowed to marry her? That is FOR gay marriage and my only negative towards gay marriage is my personal sexuality.
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Post by Nick Dowdle on May 17, 2013 11:39:21 GMT -5
I am on the same page a Drew, as long as I am not affected with major negative consequences why argue it? And drew makes an amzing arguement! If a woman cannot procreate should she also not be allowed to marry? If two men or two women cannot procreate then, according to will, they shouldn't be able to be married. If a woman cannot procreate with a male (busband) and therefore she should not be allowed to get married (This is the arguement WillL is giving). So this brings up the arguement of "is heterosexual marriage always okay?"
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Post by hannahmichalek14 on May 19, 2013 15:42:27 GMT -5
Nick makes a valid point on how if a man and a woman can not procreate then should they be married? ofcourse, any one who is in love and has the desire to spend the rest of their lives together than they should have the right to marry. Procreating isnt always what marriage is about. Its about the love that two people share for each other so i think that even though two males or two females do not have the ability to procreate that does not mean they cannot get married.
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Post by isabeller on May 19, 2013 22:01:52 GMT -5
Will, your chart shows how long gay couples stay together but practically 50% of straight couples get divorced! Is that any better? Statistics don't lie, so is it better off for straight people not to get married because statistically they don't have a great chance of staying together. Well I would like to think many bet against the statistics and everyone should be given that chance to take a gamble.
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Post by Nick Dowdle on May 21, 2013 21:52:23 GMT -5
If we are going to argue about gay marriage and the bible there are a few flaws with that also. In the Bible people are stoned for women cheating on their husbands, people violating the sabbath and being a "witch". In the united states, the pinnacle of Western Civilization, we do not participate in these actions. Why? Because they are outdated. Now, This relates to gay marriage because if one wants to pull out some selection from the bible (i.e. 1 Corinthians) where it "says" gay marriage is bad, or wrong or however one wants to interpret it we must also interpret the rest of the bible in a fair way also. If we did this we would have to accept stoning people because the bible says that it is okay. Obviously I am not say that we should stone people (with Rocks) because it it is an outdated action. Just like the Action of prohibiting gay marriage, it is old fashoned and we should move on.
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