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Post by anthonyarocho1 on May 22, 2013 12:17:10 GMT -5
To respond to a previous argument above, making gay marriage illegal does not prevent someone from loving someone else. People can love who they want but that does not mean that marriage is necessary. Throughout history, marriage has been defined as binding a women and a man. The hope is that with marriage, a couple can live happily and they are also presented with the option of having children. Children are our future, no matter how one looks at it. Children are the people who will eventually be leading our society. The best possible way to nurture these children is for them to come from a home that in which parents, together, created their child. It allows children to develop into strong adults. Genes are something should not be messed with and in order for children to grow from their parents, a birth coming from a husband and a wife is necessary. This is what makes each individual so intereseting and special. They come from their parents who attain certain characteristics. These characteristics and their development account for the continuing of evolution. The human race has been evolving for some time now and in order to keep up with our society a further evolvement will be required.
All of this information about children growing and raising up highlights a key flaw in gay marriage. Gay marriage does not allow for the birth of a human being directly from the mother and father by intercourse. The only way a child can be born is from a 3rd party who can supply the resources needed. All of the things discussed about children developing from the genes of their parents do not register here because the genes are being mixed in with other people. Apart from an adoption, a parent's pride and joy comes from their children as they are their own creation. A continual production of children from a mother and father is imperative to our society as it defines each and every individual. Individuality is something that keeps our society running and promotes growth and prosepering. Gay marriage is lacking in all these areas which explains why it shouldn't be allowed in any society.
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Post by johnr on May 23, 2013 8:58:19 GMT -5
Obviously, the Church will never condone gay marraige, and I think that gays know that. It is true that the human race will only survive through heterosexual procreation. However, homosexuals are such a small percentage of the population that it would not effect the continuation of the species. Several states allow civil unions and domestic partnerships. Only a few states offer legal same-sex marraige, which is what gays would prefer, because it guarantees federal rights and privelidges, not only state-wide. The economic benefits are obviously important to homosexual couples, as well as straight ones, so the US ought to allow gay marraige.
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Post by joecarini on May 23, 2013 9:12:55 GMT -5
I agree with eryks because all people are created equal, according to the declaration of our country. People should have the free will to marry whoever they want. Gay marrige does not have a negative effect on me whatsoever. Everyone deserves equal rights and should have the freedom to choose how they want to live.
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Post by perry on May 23, 2013 9:15:32 GMT -5
I agree with Will on all accounts. I believe that gay marriage should be illegal. I believe that God the Creator has put us on the Earth, in order to reproduce offspring. If we do not reproduce we are going agiainst God's plan for mankind. I agree with Will's coment,The biogical mismatch of human anatomy disable homosexuals from having children, a clear indication that God, our creator, did not intend for gay-marriage." Now many people have issues pertaining to infertility, and cannot produce offspring either, but that is a diffrent issue. The Bible and Magisterium are against Gay marriage and so am I. I do not mind gays going out and having a good time, but marriage should not be allowed.
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Post by jamiewright on May 23, 2013 11:37:52 GMT -5
Perry I have to disagree with you. I believe God the Creator has put us on Earth to sprend his message of love and compassion. Yes reproducing offspring is a natural thing that should occur that God would want but it isnt the main reason why He put us on Earth. Since God's main message is to love one another and to respect life, how fair is it to keep two people apart from each other who love each other and sprend that love to others? If this sprending of love is occuring, why does it matter if the couple is of the same sex?
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Post by daniellev on May 23, 2013 11:43:17 GMT -5
I agree with Isabel. Everyone should have the same opportunity becasue we are a free country. Even though gays do not generally stay together and 50% of straight couples get divorced, then does that mean they should not get married? She makes a good point. Like Gieriets said we are all gifts from God, so we should all all be able to have happiness. If they love each other then I thik they should have the same opportunity as everyone else to get married.
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Post by isabeller on May 23, 2013 13:52:44 GMT -5
I agree completely with nick, their are so many things in the bible that are denounced but that does not mean we have to follow it. Also how Nick brought up how it's old fashioned to be against gay marriage and i think that is a very true and interesting point. Older generations are more likely to be against gay marriage but our gerneration is different, we are more accepting and moving into the future. Times are different now from the sixties and this is why gay marriage should be legalized we can't stay in our past beliefs but move forward into newer better ones.
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Post by jenniferr on May 24, 2013 10:33:14 GMT -5
i gotta say, i hate when people try and use religion in this argument( no offense Will) because the main odea of religion is to accept all and love all and treat everyone equally. so what happens when we deny someone a civil right? thats right, we are not treating them equally. also, the bible says that we shouldnt eat shellfiush, we shouldnt cut our hair short, and we shouldnt eat beef and dairy in the same meal. why dont we follow those rules but take the rule against being gay so literally? id like to talk about love for a moment. i have a cousin that is gay. his boyfriend and him are obviously in love. they do things that people in love normally do. i think its wrong to keep them from being married. if it makes them happy, why is anyone against that? they deserve to be happy and treated like everyone else. First of all erik i acccidentally reported you instead of pressing reply.....whoops!!! but i COMPLETELY agree that religion should not be brought into this argument. There are thousands of religions and nobody can prove whose beliefs are the right ones and we do not have a right to say that one belief is better than another. However, we are Catholic and need to at least be educated about our catholic faith, we have the right to form our own decisions based on what our conscience tells us. I agree that religion is about including all people and not including gays or thinking they are inferior is wrong. I also do not believe gay people choose to be gay. I think if people could have the choice to be born to like the opposite gender, they would. Being gay is not their fault and not letting those people be themselves is wrong. |
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Post by daniellev on May 24, 2013 10:52:18 GMT -5
I agree with Jennifer. That they didn't choose to be gay and it is not their fault. W need to include all people and not leave anyone out, including gays. Today we are more accepting of everyone and there is more freedom. Gays should be acceptable and it should be legalized because we have be more acceptable of people today.
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Post by ryanmcguire on May 24, 2013 14:45:48 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't really care if gays have the right to marry or not. Right now in our country there are so many other problems that of are larger significance that we need to focus on such as the economy, the debt and other things. If we were to legalize gay marriage, the focus on it would diminish, which would lead to focus on other things. On the other hand, my beliefs are that gay marriage should be illegal.
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Post by karinad on May 24, 2013 20:41:42 GMT -5
One of the problems with religion is that it causes people to become obsessed with pseudo-morality like gay marriage. The topic is one of the hottest in politics right now, and this is a terrifying fact. Ryan, you are correct (although you contradict yourself)--we cannot afford to waste precious time and resources on something as trivial as gay marriage when there are so many other pressing concerns. Ask yourself, Is slavery a big debate/political issue right now? No. If we had slavery, do you think we would be talking about it? Abso-friggin-lutely. While I am not suggesting that the persecution of gays is equivalent to slavery, the analogy I just drew is accurate when it comes to the content of our public discourse. For as long as we deny gays their basic civil liberties, they will have a good reason to speak out. Once we grant them what they deserve, all the hype will die down and we will be able to focus on better things. That is what progress is--we will never put people back in bondage and chains, and gays should have the right to get married. End of story. Real morality has to do with the suffering and happiness of sentient beings. By trying to constrain the private pleasures of consenting adults, you are contributing to the surplus of human suffering. If we were adults, I would say: Your straight marriage must be pretty f***ed up if you have a problem with someone else's gay marriage.
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Post by ryanmcguire on May 24, 2013 21:02:31 GMT -5
Karina, how did I contradict myself? I just presented what I believe and what I believe would work in this country. Basically I am indifferent on the issue. The quicker we legalize or not legalize gay marriage the quicker the issue is out of the way and the quicker we can work on much more important things in this country. While the issue of gay marriage is large, is it truly bigger than helping the homeless women in a neighborhood who has 3 kids? I don't think so, and an issue like this should be addressed much more seriously and quickly than gay marriage.
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Post by drewcerney on May 27, 2013 15:17:05 GMT -5
I agree with Ryan that homosexuality is a non-issue. Karina, i don't think people become obsessed witht these ideas and issues it just is an issue. However, in my opinion a non-issue. Gay people can get married and i would have no clue and not care at all. I am still going to procreate myself and marry a woman. But what if my wife can't have kids? Should i not be able to get married to her? Should she just be alone for life?
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Post by nico on May 27, 2013 17:03:14 GMT -5
"Quote from my debate. The government has stated before that procreation if vital to existence---there is no such thing as procreation with homsexual marriages."
there are plenty of hetero sexual couples that cannot procreate but are still able to legally get married and none seems to have a problem with that.
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Post by ccastro on May 28, 2013 14:28:33 GMT -5
I dont see why it shouldnt. Like people have said before, marriage is about 2 people that love each other and are willing to spend the rest of their lives together so why ruin that for them. They should be given the right to do what they desire if they are truly in love. No one should get mad because of it. Everyone has te right to choose freely so why ruin that for them?
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